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is withholding $800 million in military aid to pakistan. a major indication that the rift between the two countries is only growing. the u.s. and pakistan are allies but there are major trust issues between the two, especially after u.s. special forces found osama bin laden hiding snuggly inside pakistan. reza how does this impact u.s./pakistani relations? >> reporter: i think this hurts a relationship that's already on shaky ground. for years we have heard a lot of rhetoric from both sides, finger pointing, accusations. this is more than rhetoric. i think things changed after the raid on the bin laden compound here in pakistan in may. this was viewed by many here in pakistan as an embarrassment for the country and the military. it was viewed as a violation of pakistan's sovereignty by people here. ever since then, both sides have made moves that have substantially changed the complexion of this relationship. $800 million in cash and military equipment. the message here is we are not happy with the effort you are making. if you want to cont
is withholding $800 million in military aid to pakistan. a major indication that the rift between the two countries is only growing. the u.s. and pakistan are allies but there are major trust issues between the two, especially after u.s. special forces found osama bin laden hiding snuggly inside pakistan. reza how does this impact u.s./pakistani relations? >> reporter: i think this hurts a relationship that's already on shaky ground. for years we have heard a lot of rhetoric from both...
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pakistan, not happy. now, not long after that, pakistan threw out all of the meamerican and british military trainers working with the armed forces, the u.s. this time. not happy. last week, mike mullen accused the government knowing all about the murder of a journalist critical of the government. pakistan denies that and isn't happy. fast forward -- the white house confirms $800 million, more than a third here, a third of the united states annual anti-terrorism aid package to pakistan will be stopped. this is how president obama's chief of staff describes the relationship. and i want you to listen very closely for one word, bill dailey uses more than once. >> complicated relationship and a very difficult complicated part of the world. there's still a lot of pain that the political system in pakistan is feeling by virtue of the raid that we did to get osama bin laden. something that the president felt strongly about. we have no regrets over. but the pakistani relationship is difficult but it must be made
pakistan, not happy. now, not long after that, pakistan threw out all of the meamerican and british military trainers working with the armed forces, the u.s. this time. not happy. last week, mike mullen accused the government knowing all about the murder of a journalist critical of the government. pakistan denies that and isn't happy. fast forward -- the white house confirms $800 million, more than a third here, a third of the united states annual anti-terrorism aid package to pakistan will be...
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has identified 10 to 20 key al qaeda leaders whom he says are in pakistan, yemen and other areas. >>> al qaeda is making a comeback in afghanistan. u.s. commanders are seeing a sudden resurgence just as american troops are getting ready to leave. cnn's nick payton walsh joined an army patrol on the hunt. >> reporter: almost a decade in the hunt for al qaeda in one part of eastern afghanistan looks like this. americans pushing the afghans to the front, taking the high ground in hills impossible to police. the pressure for less americans here is extreme, but the afghans only mustered five men for this patrol. >> it has to be five to seven round bursts and go. >> reporter: and despite this training, policing the local villages, let alone taking on the terrorist network that america came here to eradicate. it is here that afghanistan's future looks like its past. american control does not extend up to this valley and high on the ridgelines, they found safe havens for al qaeda. they have revealed to cnn they located here al qaeda fighters using the secluded alpine villages for training and
has identified 10 to 20 key al qaeda leaders whom he says are in pakistan, yemen and other areas. >>> al qaeda is making a comeback in afghanistan. u.s. commanders are seeing a sudden resurgence just as american troops are getting ready to leave. cnn's nick payton walsh joined an army patrol on the hunt. >> reporter: almost a decade in the hunt for al qaeda in one part of eastern afghanistan looks like this. americans pushing the afghans to the front, taking the high ground in...
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can't get to pakistan if pakistan won't allow its personnel on the ground. because that aid and the personnel come as a package deal. >> okay. now you know there's less aid going to pakistan. you have to wonder what kind of trust or eroded trust might there be now between pakistan and the u.s. to work together from here on out? >> it's really bad. there's been a lot of tit for tat after that raid on bin laden. then the pakistanis threw out the american trainers denying the visas. now the u.s. is withholding aid. you've got to wonder, as you said, what is this going to mean, this continued tit for tat? in the past in previous years when the u.s. has withheld aid, it's been very bad. you've seen a lot of drone strikes against pakistan without pakistani cooperation. sometimes they do cooperate. but now i think you're going to see a lot of the u.s. kind of going it alone as it sends a message to pakistan as it did after 9/11. you're either with us or against us and you have to play if we're going to pay, basically. >> thanks so much from washington. appreciate t
can't get to pakistan if pakistan won't allow its personnel on the ground. because that aid and the personnel come as a package deal. >> okay. now you know there's less aid going to pakistan. you have to wonder what kind of trust or eroded trust might there be now between pakistan and the u.s. to work together from here on out? >> it's really bad. there's been a lot of tit for tat after that raid on bin laden. then the pakistanis threw out the american trainers denying the visas....
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identified 10 to 20 leaders who he says are in pakistan, yemen and in other areas. >>> and one new nation in the world, two big celebrations marking independence day. this is the flag of the now independent nation of south sudan, rising for the first time over the capital city of juba. the country is officially separate today after five decades of on and off civil war with the mostly muslim north. the same flag rising today in washington, d.c. over the new embassy of south sudan. >>> so let's talk about that moment some more, that scene of the flag rising above the new embassy of south sudan in washington. elise abbott is the senior state department producer. that scene almost as important as the celebration in south sudan. lots of symbolism that comes here and a real commitment too between the u.s. and south sudan. >> that's right. the u.s. really for decades has been working to help south sudan for this moment. the u.s. really under the bush administration started pushing this agreement, this comprehensive peace agreement between south and north sudan to get them to the day and really o
identified 10 to 20 leaders who he says are in pakistan, yemen and in other areas. >>> and one new nation in the world, two big celebrations marking independence day. this is the flag of the now independent nation of south sudan, rising for the first time over the capital city of juba. the country is officially separate today after five decades of on and off civil war with the mostly muslim north. the same flag rising today in washington, d.c. over the new embassy of south sudan....
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and pakistan have hit the bottom line. white house chief of staff william daly confirms usa aid to pakistan is being withheld pending better behavior out of islamabad. >> right now they have taken some steps that give us reason to pause on some of the aid we were giving to their mill tashgs and we're trying to work through that. but until we get through these difficulties, we will hold back some of the money that the american taxpayers have committed to giving them. >> some $800 million. >> yes. >> in advance of tonight's debt-reduction meeting at the white house, the obama administration sent out treasury secretary timothy geithner for yet another red alert about what will happen if p congress fails to raise the debt ceiling. >> no responsible leader would say the united states, for the first time in its history, should not pay its bills and meet its obligations. that would be catastrophic for the economy. everybody understands that. >> senate republican leader mitch mcconnell says he's for a big deal as long as it doesn'
and pakistan have hit the bottom line. white house chief of staff william daly confirms usa aid to pakistan is being withheld pending better behavior out of islamabad. >> right now they have taken some steps that give us reason to pause on some of the aid we were giving to their mill tashgs and we're trying to work through that. but until we get through these difficulties, we will hold back some of the money that the american taxpayers have committed to giving them. >> some $800...
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and pakistan. the u.s. is withholding $800 million in military aid to that country. the chief of staff confirmed the move on abc's "this week." >>> those are headlines this hour. i'm don lemon. now back to "harry potter: the final chapter." >>> hi there. i'm tom felton and i'm in the "harry potter films." it's been an incredible ten year, and i've been very, very lucky to have been in it the last ten years and want add chance to say thank you very much and i really hope you enjoy the last film. >> larry: in "harry potter and the deathly hallows part 2" gone is the innocence of childhood. harry, hermione and ron face real danger. life and death. >> a different film, really. it's all kind of intense. >> what we see -- >> i mean, it was -- the last two films were dark for me to play them, and to be in that world every day. and we did so many scenes where there was so much adrenaline and fear required. it was really intense. genuinely. >> larry: like millions of charon around the world, huge fans of harry potter. >> whenever i was reading the books, i always thought that
and pakistan. the u.s. is withholding $800 million in military aid to that country. the chief of staff confirmed the move on abc's "this week." >>> those are headlines this hour. i'm don lemon. now back to "harry potter: the final chapter." >>> hi there. i'm tom felton and i'm in the "harry potter films." it's been an incredible ten year, and i've been very, very lucky to have been in it the last ten years and want add chance to say thank you very...
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babies just like these are being found in garbage dumps all around pakistan, thrown away by families who just don't want them just because they're girls. and girls, by the way, are considered a financial burden on families there. i want you to watch this report. >> reporter: it's in garbage piles like this where according to an aid group pakistan's worst tragedy is unfolding. the killing and dumping of newborn baby girls. >> sometimes they kill, they hang -- >> reporter: they hang them? >> they hang them and sometimes they're killed by knife and sometimes we find dead bodies that have been burned. >> reporter: a manager at pakistan's largest privately run social service and relief agency. at call centers like this, aid workers receive reports of more than 1,200 newborns and infants killed or left to die in pakistan last year, up 200 from 2009. the tiny corpses that are found end up in this morgue here. these five were found within the past few days, all of them double play pd around karachi. it's hard to believe that wrapped inside these sheets are newborns that never had a chance. a
babies just like these are being found in garbage dumps all around pakistan, thrown away by families who just don't want them just because they're girls. and girls, by the way, are considered a financial burden on families there. i want you to watch this report. >> reporter: it's in garbage piles like this where according to an aid group pakistan's worst tragedy is unfolding. the killing and dumping of newborn baby girls. >> sometimes they kill, they hang -- >> reporter: they...
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the clashes reveal that al qaeda for years, said to be mostly across the border in pakistan is a concern back where they started in afghanistan's hills. we pushed down into the valley, still an insurgent strong hold. high-tech american attack helicopters buzzed overhead until militants shot at them from the valley. >> it's uncharacteristic from the taliban i know. they're getting gutsy. right past there. if you go past that you're going to take enemy contact, it's pretty certain. >> the afghans are clear about who lay in weight for them ahead. >> translator: it's very dangerous, there are taliban, arabs, pakistanis there. >> at the foot of the valley, the american base is often hit by pot shots, sometimes from lone gunmen up high who they then mortar. al qaeda's return to these remote hills could tie america's hands, making harder to justify pulling back from here. the terrorist network that made america's case for invading. nick payton walsh, cnn afghanistan. here at quicken loans, we like to go the extra mile for our clients. with the wassman family, it was 2,500 extra miles. we're the
the clashes reveal that al qaeda for years, said to be mostly across the border in pakistan is a concern back where they started in afghanistan's hills. we pushed down into the valley, still an insurgent strong hold. high-tech american attack helicopters buzzed overhead until militants shot at them from the valley. >> it's uncharacteristic from the taliban i know. they're getting gutsy. right past there. if you go past that you're going to take enemy contact, it's pretty certain. >>...
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part pressure to get pakistan to do more. part retaliation because pakist pakistan threw out a lot of army trainers after the u.s. killed osama bin laden. it's because they threw out these trainers they can't have this aid because you really comes as a package deal. u.s. personnel on the ground. you have to play, if you want us to pay, don. >> so, elise, how serious is this riff between afghanistan and islam bad? >> it's gradually decreasing. a lot for fit for tat and what is going to happen next now that the u.s. reduced this aid. what are the pakistanis going to do? the u.s. is already very concerned that it can't trust the pakistani military and the pakistani intelligence with the information they're giving them about the milmilitants. so, a big concern right now and you'll see a lot of the u.s. going it alone, such as these drone strikes. >> could this backfire and limit u.s. leverage over pakistan on counterterrorism cooperation? >> it certainly could, but things are pretty bad as they are. i think the calculation by u.s
part pressure to get pakistan to do more. part retaliation because pakist pakistan threw out a lot of army trainers after the u.s. killed osama bin laden. it's because they threw out these trainers they can't have this aid because you really comes as a package deal. u.s. personnel on the ground. you have to play, if you want us to pay, don. >> so, elise, how serious is this riff between afghanistan and islam bad? >> it's gradually decreasing. a lot for fit for tat and what is going...
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that's something pakistan denies. in montana, the governor declaring a state of emergency in seven counties because of a ruptured pipeline that caused 42,000 gallons of oil to gush into the river last week. governor disagree about how widespread the oil is. the state says it has found oil 90 miles from the leak. now to ohio where a freight train traveling from cleveland to cincinnati leaked more than 1,700 gallons of diesel from its engine before anyone even realized it, crews are scrambling to clean up the mess. they say about 30 of those gallons spiel spiled in s spill when the train stopped on a bridge in downtown columbus. and the dow finishing in the green, up 56 points. let's go to allison kosik live at the stock exchange. i know we're going to get several jobs reports this week. what should we be looking for as we see these numbers come out today? that's kind of the game on wall street. the bar right now really low in may. as this week goes, we're going to see three jobs reports come out over the next two days.
that's something pakistan denies. in montana, the governor declaring a state of emergency in seven counties because of a ruptured pipeline that caused 42,000 gallons of oil to gush into the river last week. governor disagree about how widespread the oil is. the state says it has found oil 90 miles from the leak. now to ohio where a freight train traveling from cleveland to cincinnati leaked more than 1,700 gallons of diesel from its engine before anyone even realized it, crews are scrambling to...
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what we do know is pakistan and the u.s. are not getting along in this, the relationship started to deteriorate after the raid on the bin laden compound. pakistan made it clear they weren't happy with the unilateral action taken by washington. many here view it as a violation of pakistan's sovereignty. there's several reasons why he's in custody. this could be a form of payback on the part of pakistan against washington. it also could be an effort by pakistan to find out exactly how the u.s., the cia, managed to set up an intricate intelligence network behind their back before this raid. wolf? >> have you really sensed, you've been in pakistan for a while now, reza. have you sensed the real deterioration in pakistani attitudes toward the united states since the bin laden raid? >> reporter: i don't think this relationship has been at a lower point. again, it really started deteriorating after the raid on the bin laden compound. before that for years, you heard rhetoric, a lot of finger pointing. now both sides are making move
what we do know is pakistan and the u.s. are not getting along in this, the relationship started to deteriorate after the raid on the bin laden compound. pakistan made it clear they weren't happy with the unilateral action taken by washington. many here view it as a violation of pakistan's sovereignty. there's several reasons why he's in custody. this could be a form of payback on the part of pakistan against washington. it also could be an effort by pakistan to find out exactly how the u.s.,...
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economies then spread and influenced china, in turn which influenced india, which may be influencing pakistan. that same pattern may be beginning to happen in africa, as we have some real success stories, and others countries say, if rwanda can do it, if ghana can do it, why can't we? >> we'll have to leave it at that. thank you very much. >>> we will be right back. woman: saving for our child's college fund was getting expensive. man: yes it was. so to save some money, we taught our 5 year old how to dunk. woman: scholarship! woman: honey go get him. anncr: there's an easier way to save. get online. go to geico.com. get a quote. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. >>> can a day pulled the last of its troops out of afghanistan this week. that brings us to our question of the week -- how many nations still have combat troops in afghanistan as part of the international security assist tansz force? is it 6, 16, 26 or 46? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. make sure you go to cnn.com/gps for ten more question and make sure you check out the global public square
economies then spread and influenced china, in turn which influenced india, which may be influencing pakistan. that same pattern may be beginning to happen in africa, as we have some real success stories, and others countries say, if rwanda can do it, if ghana can do it, why can't we? >> we'll have to leave it at that. thank you very much. >>> we will be right back. woman: saving for our child's college fund was getting expensive. man: yes it was. so to save some money, we taught...
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will it have any type of impact on pakistan? >> pakistan says no. they're saying we can handle whatever it is, but, you know, this is -- this is a very important relationship, the u.s.-pakistan relation shi. -- relationship. it's in a very bad way. is it likely to completely unravel? no, the stakes are too high. but one of the things concerning the u.s. is we're bickering with the pakistanis and reducing aid, they're not helping us and they're not helping them. they're turning more to get help from china. they've had a lot more contact with china. the -- the whole issue is on that border. the border with afghanistan, waziristan, taliban, al qaeda, other troops are operating. >> pakistan will continue the fight, even without the $800 million in military aid, it will continue the fight against the militants. a lot of people are saying, where have you been until now? what fight is taking place at this point? >> it's true. it's a fair criticism. it's a fair criticism that the pakistanis haven't done enough in certain areas. you have to balance that by s
will it have any type of impact on pakistan? >> pakistan says no. they're saying we can handle whatever it is, but, you know, this is -- this is a very important relationship, the u.s.-pakistan relation shi. -- relationship. it's in a very bad way. is it likely to completely unravel? no, the stakes are too high. but one of the things concerning the u.s. is we're bickering with the pakistanis and reducing aid, they're not helping us and they're not helping them. they're turning more to get...
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economies then spread and influenced china in term which influenced india which may be influencing pakistan. that same pattern may be beginning to happen in africa as we have some real success stories in other countries thinking if rwanda can do it, why can't we? >> we'll have to leave it at that. thank you very much. we will be right back. >> if i can finish now -- oh, yes, why don't you meow when i woman does that. between accoun, so your money can move as fast as you do. check out your portfolio, track the market with live updates. and execute trades anywhere and anytime the inspiration hits you. even deposit checks right from your phone. just take a picture, hit deposit and you're done. open an account today and put schwab mobile to work for you. >>> canada pulled the last of the combat troops out of afghanistan this week. this brings us to our question of the week. how many nations still have combat troops in afghanistan as part of the international security assistance force? is it a, 6, b, 16, c, 26 or d 46. stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. go to cnn.com/gps for ten m
economies then spread and influenced china in term which influenced india which may be influencing pakistan. that same pattern may be beginning to happen in africa as we have some real success stories in other countries thinking if rwanda can do it, why can't we? >> we'll have to leave it at that. thank you very much. we will be right back. >> if i can finish now -- oh, yes, why don't you meow when i woman does that. between accoun, so your money can move as fast as you do. check...
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she's likely going to press for better ties between india and pakistan, right next door. that relationship has been shaky for some time. clinton will also focus on economic ties. as you know, india has a $1.6 trillion economy. it's quite vital for india and the u.s. to have good economic relationships. >> big economy and a growing economy. thanks very much, check in with you later. >>> carter evans live here in new york. he's at the nasdaq market site. good to see you, how are futures shaping up? we look to big news from wall street. wall street's got to deal with earnings and debt ceiling stuff this week. >> overall, heading into this week, considering all of that our futures right now are a little bit lower. many of the biggest and wealthiest companies in this country are preparing to release quarterly numbers. we'll hear from general electric, goldman sachs, intel, ibm, a handful of the companies investor ises are keep an eye on. we'll get an idea how some of the biggest companies in the country are doing in the third quarter. today we're going to hear from charles sch
she's likely going to press for better ties between india and pakistan, right next door. that relationship has been shaky for some time. clinton will also focus on economic ties. as you know, india has a $1.6 trillion economy. it's quite vital for india and the u.s. to have good economic relationships. >> big economy and a growing economy. thanks very much, check in with you later. >>> carter evans live here in new york. he's at the nasdaq market site. good to see you, how are...
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pakistan withholding $800 million in promised military aid to pakistan. the zus not happy with what you're doing. what do you do about it? >> first old all, i don't think that's a correct characterization. it includes $300 million in reimbursements that have just been slowed down. we haven't received a reimbursement since december 2010. so basically, it's just something that's already slow, having been slowed down more. the fact is that -- >> are you saying this is not a big deal? $800 million of aids has been suspended. >> both sides are working together on a number of things and pakistan is not happy with the pace of delivery of assistance. americans are not happy with the pace of delivery of certain deliverables from pakistan. it happens sometimes. right now because pakistan is a fledgling democracy and everything that happens there hits the media and there's an american domestic political context in which everything becomes an issue because of the way people react to your administration. this has become -- >> the reaction in pakistan to the u.s. decis
pakistan withholding $800 million in promised military aid to pakistan. the zus not happy with what you're doing. what do you do about it? >> first old all, i don't think that's a correct characterization. it includes $300 million in reimbursements that have just been slowed down. we haven't received a reimbursement since december 2010. so basically, it's just something that's already slow, having been slowed down more. the fact is that -- >> are you saying this is not a big deal?...
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his reports about links between pakistan's security agencies and muslim extremists. mullen said thursday he has not seen anything to, quote, disabuse the report that he knew about shazad's death. basically that means he thinks he knew but he didn't have proof. they call mullen's comments irresponsible. >>> tens of thousands of protestors poured into tehrer square in cairo today to pressure the government to slow reforms. some groups say they'll protest in the square for 18 days, which was the length of the revolution. >>> and there was tragedy at a texas rangers game. look at that video, that fan falling 20 feet to a concrete area behind the scoreboard at rangers ballpark. he was reaching for a ball thrown by rangers outfielder josh hamilton. the man was raisced to the hospital but he died. the rangers said their thoughts and prayers are with the man's family. a man was injured last year after falling about 30 feet trying to catch a foul ball. >>> they are willing to cut social security if republicans agree to increase taxes on the rich. but my next guest says, hands
his reports about links between pakistan's security agencies and muslim extremists. mullen said thursday he has not seen anything to, quote, disabuse the report that he knew about shazad's death. basically that means he thinks he knew but he didn't have proof. they call mullen's comments irresponsible. >>> tens of thousands of protestors poured into tehrer square in cairo today to pressure the government to slow reforms. some groups say they'll protest in the square for 18 days, which...
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and pakistan. white house chief of staff william daly says it's in response to pakistan's decision to cut back on counterterrorism operations after the killing of osama bin laden. the u.s. typically gives pakistan more than $2 billion a year in security assistance. >>> u.s. joint chiefs of staff admiral -- chairman admiral mike mullen says china should no longer be described as a rising power, declaring it's a full-fledged world power hp he made the remarks at the start of a four-day visit to beijing. he called on china to become a global partner in addressing security challenges in asia and beyond. >>> jay si dugard speaking about her 18 years in captivity at the hands of philly and nancy garrido. she was 11 when kidnapped by garrido, a convicted sex offender, as she was walking to school. she talked about the long, horrifying ordeal with abc's diane sawyer. >> you would never know what she survived unless you notice how her face changes when she speaks of the past and the charm around her neck, a
and pakistan. white house chief of staff william daly says it's in response to pakistan's decision to cut back on counterterrorism operations after the killing of osama bin laden. the u.s. typically gives pakistan more than $2 billion a year in security assistance. >>> u.s. joint chiefs of staff admiral -- chairman admiral mike mullen says china should no longer be described as a rising power, declaring it's a full-fledged world power hp he made the remarks at the start of a four-day...
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a doctor has been arrested in pakistan for trying to get osama bin laden. we have the details. >> this story sounds like it's straight out of a spy novel. a pakistani security official telling cnn a pakistani doctor is in custody suspected of helping the cia set up a plot to confirm the whereabouts of osama bin laden. according to this official, this doctor, staged a face vaccination campaign. offering free vaccinations and shots to the children and residents where the bin laden compound was eventually located. this doctor hired two nurses who went from home to home. and the plan was to get to the bin laden children and somehow extract some blood or use the syringe from the vaccinations to match their dna samples with dna samples from bin laden's sister who passed away last year in boston, massachusetts. we haven't been able to verify if these nurses made it into the bin laden compound. we did track down one of the nurses who was allegedly involved in this plot over the phone and she repeatedly told us that she cannot speak about this matter. we also spoke
a doctor has been arrested in pakistan for trying to get osama bin laden. we have the details. >> this story sounds like it's straight out of a spy novel. a pakistani security official telling cnn a pakistani doctor is in custody suspected of helping the cia set up a plot to confirm the whereabouts of osama bin laden. according to this official, this doctor, staged a face vaccination campaign. offering free vaccinations and shots to the children and residents where the bin laden compound...
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for information and we do speaking and we help christians that are being persecuted in countries like pakistan. and we help christians who are suffering all throughout the middle east. >> how do you do that? >> none of your business. >> none of your business? that's interesting. our investigation continues tomorrow night, right? what are we going to see tomorrow? >> yeah. tomorrow, how he makes a business out of his expertise, how these donations to his cause end up with a so-called foundation owned by his business partner. and also the bigger question, anderson, why are our taxpayers going to pay this guy? he can say whatever he is wants. but where are the people vetting these so-called terrorism experts that are suddenly making a lot of money in this country? >> that's interesting. drew, fascinating. we'll continue to follow up. we'll have that report part two tomorrow. thanks, drew, a lot >>> coming up, you may not have been following the war in libya recently. but tonight you are going to get as close to the come bats as anyone can. our ben wedeman and his crew caught in the crossfire toda
for information and we do speaking and we help christians that are being persecuted in countries like pakistan. and we help christians who are suffering all throughout the middle east. >> how do you do that? >> none of your business. >> none of your business? that's interesting. our investigation continues tomorrow night, right? what are we going to see tomorrow? >> yeah. tomorrow, how he makes a business out of his expertise, how these donations to his cause end up with...